Derek Webb Pulling No Punches

The talk of the web (well, at least in one of my circles) is the controversy that surrounds Derek Webb‘s latest album. For those who aren’t familiar with Webb, he is one of the lead singers and songwriters of the Christian band Caedmon’s Call. He has also gone solo and worked on some other projects, including some Indelible Grace albums.

The controversy started not long ago, as Webb left this message on his website:

“It seems I’ve finally found the line beyond which my label can support me, and apparently I’ve crossed it. [A]t this point we’re not sure when the record will come out and in what form. The majority of the controversy is surrounding one song, which I consider to be among the most important songs on the record …. [B]ecause of various legal/publishing issues we’re having to be rather careful with how we do what we’re going to do next.”

The “line” that he speaks of is using swear words on a song called “What Matters More”. You can listen to it here. The lyrics are:

You say you always treat people like you like to be
I guess you love being hated for your sexuality
You love when people put words in your mouth
‘Bout what you believe, make you sound like a freak
‘Cause if you really believe what you say you believe
You wouldn’t be so damn reckless with the words you speak
Wouldn’t silently conceal when the liars speak
Denyin’ all the dyin’ of the remedy

Tell me, brother, what matters more to you?
Tell me, sister, what matters more to you?

If I can tell what’s in your heart by what comes out of your mouth
Then it sure looks to me like being straight is all it’s about
It looks like being hated for all the wrong things
Like chasin’ the wind while the pendulum swings
‘Cause we can talk and debate until we’re blue in the face
About the language and tradition that he’s comin’ to save
Meanwhile we sit just like we don’t give a shit
About 50,000 people who are dyin’ today

Tell me, brother, what matters more to you?
Tell me, sister, what matters more to you?

Now, I totally understand what he means in this song. He is not saying homosexuality is okay or not a sin. He is simply saying, as Jeff Wright agrees, that we, as Christians, have been spending more time condemning homosexuals than we have spent taking care of the poor and malnourished. And I would agree with Webb.

However, my thought is that he did cross the line this time. I think there is always going to be tension between being legalistic and not being of this world. On one hand, we don’t want to hold to our colloquial expressions like they are law. And on the other hand, we don’t want to conform to this world. At the same time, though, why generate controversy that isn’t necessary?

Webb is no stranger to controversy, as he has previously written and produced a song called “Wedding Dress” that says, “I am a whore I do confess/I put you on just like a wedding dress”. He was speaking of the church whoring itself to other gods, and I completely agree with him. After all, it’s biblical! The controversy of that song was really unwarranted.

But this time it seems he is generating controversy just to stir the pot. I understand that he took some of the lyrics from a speech made by Tony Campolo about “making poverty history”. I’m not saying poverty isn’t something we should think about, pray about, and help alleviate. But does he need to use “strong” language just to make a point. As Christians, shouldn’t we be staying away from controversy as much as possible?

Let me clarify, there is a difference between stirring up controversy and telling the truth. Jesus told the truth, and it was thought to be “controversial”. There was no way he could avoid controversy, because it was a direct attack against the sinful practices of man, e.g. legalism. The same can be said of Webb’s song, “Wedding Dress”. But with “What Matters More”, Webb could have spoken truth without stirring up controversy.

So, in short, I totally understand the meaning in the song and why Webb said what he did. But I just don’t think I agree with it.

Thoughts?

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About Ethan A. Smith

Ethan is the youth worker at Smithton-Culloden Free Church in Inverness, Scotland. He enjoys playing guitar and leading worship, reading, and watching movies with his wife, Holly.

24 Responses to “Derek Webb Pulling No Punches”

  1. jerry says :

    yeah, i agree that it’s just needlessly stirring up controversy. there’s talk about a clean version and an explicit version? just for saying a four letter word? please. i think as an artist and a musician he has the right to express what he will. he’s not a theologian, an evangelist, a pastor, or any of the like. just a christian who plays music.

    i think it’s a scam to sell more records.

    • Shane Bertou says :

      i think it’s a scam to sell more records.

      Nah. The label wasn’t going to risk getting the record pulled from store shelves. Derek’s selling the “unedited version” and they’re releasing the “clean” version in September.

  2. Charlie Chastain says :

    I think sometimes we forget that Christ was (and is) a controversial figure, so I’m not sure if we as Christians should “stay away from controversy as much as possible.”

    I agree that the use of the word is a gimmick, but the fact that the outrage is coming from a cuss word and not about the 50000 dying without Christ only proves Webb’s (and Campolo’s) point….

  3. ethanasmith says :

    Charlie,

    I see what you mean and would agree with you for the most part.

    However, my point was not that he was wrong for swearing but that he could have easily made his point *without* swearing…

    Thanks for your input, though. It’s interesting to see everyone’s take on it.

    ~Ethan

  4. Barry Wallace says :

    I think I agree with you. Derek made a valid point, but the way he made it was counterproductive, to say the least.

  5. David M says :

    I spotted 2 cuss words! Is this not what Paul called his legalistic righteousness before he was converted.

  6. Zoey says :

    I think it’s brilliant. And it makes its point perfectly. Judging by the comments so far, I think it’s apparent what matters most to us, and that’s the use of bad words. No mention of 50,000 people dying or the tragedy of hating sinners.

    Jesus used pretty strong language in his day, we just don’t recognize it looking through our own cultural lens. “Brood of vipers” and “raca”, for example, were pretty controversial words in His day that could have been watered down if that was a line Jesus feared approaching.

    The language surprised me, but it also caused me to turn my mind off autopilot and examine what he was singing.

  7. ethanasmith says :

    I would agree with Barry. Good point, but counterproductive.

  8. lali h says :

    I don’t believe that using profanity was counterproductive in this case. I agree completely with Zoey. Using that word makes us uncomfortable. It makes us shift in our seats a little.

    and, well, i’m not going to lie, but it made me, good christian girl, judge him.

    “‘Cause we can talk and debate until we’re blue in the face
    About the language and tradition that he’s comin’ to save”

    who are we really? what have we, as the church, become? What are we protecting? isn’t a clean mouth truly a loving one? and webb is speaking the truth in love. this is a small thing, and while we argue and “sit like we don’t give a shit,” people *continue* to die. what are we, pharisees?

    Christ cares much more about people than about 4-letter-words. and the people who need Christ, well, they use those words, too. this song isn’t intended for children: it’s intended for adults who need to listen up.

  9. J.Kru says :

    Maybe if he said skubula it would have been OK.

    Actually, he couldn’t make his point without cussing. That much should be obvious, since we wouldn’t be blogging or talking about a non-cuss word song.

  10. Jon C says :

    I hear what you are saying. Derek may have done it just to be purposefully controversial, maybe to sell albums, maybe to grow his popularity,maybe to get his point across… but only God knows his heart. Personally, I think he did it to get us thinking. Regardless, what you and I should be concerned is the question:

    What Matters More to you?

    50,000 deaths and the Church’s treatment of the Gay community, or 2 cuss words?

    • Odie says :

      I agree. Look at what we are doing right now, spending our time having a discussion about 2 damn words he used in a song. People get heated about this stupid shit, but Christ wouldn’t even be listening to us babble on about our imperfect judgements of Derek Webb. He would be out there talking to the sinners (Gays), probably drinking beer with them in the gay clubs.

      • ethanasmith says :

        “What Matters More to you?

        50,000 deaths and the Church’s treatment of the Gay community, or 2 cuss words?”

        I don’t think you’ll find many people that would say two cuss words matter more. That’s why I don’t understand that whole Tony Campolo rant. Christians are doing quite a bit when it comes to serving the poor and reaching out to the gay community in love.

        Obviously when a Christian speaker/minister/musician says “shit” or “damn” we are going to be surprised by that, because we aren’t used to hearing it. That doesn’t mean we don’t care about the poor…

  11. booksdontgrowontrees says :

    I found this post while searching for the lyrics of “What Matters Most” as I was writing my own blog post that included thoughts on Webb’s point of view and hiuse of a swear word. I thought you had a really good take on it, so I linked to you in the post: http://booksdontgrowontrees.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/how-can-christians-be-rich-or-does-living-in-suburbia-stint-sacrifical-service/

    Thanks for the thoughts!

  12. Brian says :

    Derek’s apparent Q. What matters more to you, brother — someone’s sexuality or the poor dying from lack of adequate resources?

    Brian’s A. The latter. If I really mean it, I will continually seek their spiritual and physical well being, regardless of their cultural choices.

    “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” — Jesus Christ

    Jesus called to repentence you and me when we were grieved of offending a holy God when we first realized it was so, if indeed he has given us mercy.

    We need not be too hurt by Derek’s choice of words.

  13. Jess says :

    I think the selling of albums has more to do with getting this artist’s point across than income. God will provide for him.

    Well done Derek. I heard you.

    I also think his point is well made. The gospel is offensive. Good job, you recognized bad words, now do something about it. Telling other people isn’t too productive… Once you’ve cleaned your own speech, you should stop there, besides encouragement. On to the next: recognizing the power of words and language. It’s HOW we use them that matter.

    It is a deception for any of us to think that Jesus can be Lord over our life, without also becoming Lord over our tongue.

  14. MCM says :

    There is simply no excuse for a Christian to elevate the cause of poverty over that of keeping a Chirstly witness. Jesus’ goal here was not to feed the poor, it was to gather them unto himself and food was merely a tool that neither took precedence over his word or became a god to him that so many people have made it out to be.

    Humanitarianism is an idol just as any other. Jesus did not feed the masses as an end to itself, but as a compliment to his ministry, not on every occasion, but as it warranted.

    The charge to take care of the orphan and the widow was a practical Mosaic law that was aimed at keeping God in the center of our lives and the state ‘leaders’ from taking rule over God’s people. After all, what do you need taxes for if the church takes care of all of the problems of society?

    • Brian says :

      When the Bible says “Jesus had compassion on them”, he knew full well that crowds and individuals sought merely a physical provision. Yet he still had compassion on them and met their physical needs. His giving to them did not depend on their current interest in repentance. He freely gave. Never manipulated with tools. Knew the one-time physical provision for many would be all they would receive from God, the end.

      According to the gospel, keeping a Christian witness is defined specifically in terms of visiting the prisoner in jail, feeding the hungry, and clothing the poor. Anyone who tries to separate witnessing for Christ from taking up the cause of poverty differs from Christ’s judgement standards and James’ definition of true love.

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